I live in Oklahoma. It’s odd that our Eufaula is also on a lake. As many of you may know Eufaula is ONE of the county seats of Barbour Co AL. The Indians were moved from AL to Eastern OK. We now have “Indian nations” in Oklahoma. The Choctaws are in the east, the Chickasaws are in the south, the Cherokees are in the NE. The Cheyenne-Arapaho are in the west. There are others. Most of these nations actually have an embassy in DC.
As I recall, this is how the 4th Alabama Infantry was created; and it still one of the oldest, military units still serving in the US Military.
Sidney Allen Johnson
Lets not get all outraged over Indian removal. If you knew the history of these tribes…particularly the Cherokee…you would know they were not native to this area but had come from the west…as in the Oklahoma territory! Andrew Jackson was well aware of this history from his early years. He was a captain present at the conversation mentioned here:
In 1810, John Sevier, the first governor of Tennessee, wrote to his friend Major Amos Stoddard about a conversation he had in 1782 with the old Cherokee chief Oconostota concerning ancient fortifications built along the Alabama River. The chief allegedly told him that the forts were built by a white people called “Welsh”, as protection against the ancestors of the Cherokee, who eventually drove them from the region.
They were a conquering lot themselves so don’t get misty eyed over their fate. They “removed” quite a few people themselves…and were proud to tell the tales.
Darby Weaver
Heard that story too and those Welsh were named Weaver and were led by Modoc.
The Leader Modoc killed Canby supposedly out West along the Sante Fe Trail.
Doesn’t Alabama have a Santa Fe too?
Columbus was a Wool Weaver.
Nana – Wool.
Nana Wiya (Wea Mingo) – Wool Weaver
It’s gets more strange when you learn the father of Columbus was a Wool Weaver
They moved the Cherokee to the NorthEast from the SouthWest.
The States has to scramble and do a shuck and jive after the Federal Sources forced the REMOVAL of the Settlers from the Federal Lands in Alabama.
Even Georgia and Tennessee has to leave the State.
Recall Hawkins was in Georgia along the Along the Alabama and the Tombigbee in the 1890’s.
All before Congress learned the Louisiana Purchase was committed on the basis of fraud.
The issue is that Alabama does not have a Right to Indian Land.
Not even today.
The Choctaw Nation of Indians which encompasses the other Tribes has extensive Rights to the entire SouthEast.
Fraud has no Statute of Limitations.
The Constitution – Federal is designed to protect the Rights of the Choctaw Nation of Indians against predators like the State of Alabama who is the Tribe’s deadliest enemy.
The Tribe still exists where it always has maintained it Seat of Power in Alabama – old Mississippi – Old Georgia – Old Carolina – Old Louisiana – Old Tennessee – the Oldest Colonies, etc.
The Choctaw Nation of Indians has been categorically denied…
This article celebrates the murders of Natives, over the land which they claimed. And then the forced evacuation on the Trail of Tears. What a horrible history to celebrate.
This article is transcribed from a different time, and yes, it definitely celebrates the murders of Native Americans and makes their murderers out to be hero’s. Makes me sick to my stomach to know that some of my ancestors were probably involved.
I was taught that Columbus was a great man and hero. Donald Garnto – – do you know the two reasons why white settlers thought it was ok to steel the Natives’ land and why they justified the rape and murder of women and children. It’s history. You should learn from it and then recognize the countries and tribes that are still doing it today.
Denise Benshoof
If we are learning from history, then we can’t ignore how we have treated Native peoples and African slaves over the centuries. If we are learning from history, we should be taking responsibility for that history and changing our future so as not to repeat it.
Darby Weaver
The truth is in 1836 this exam settlers petitioned the US Congress to let them return to Alabama so they could at least harvest their crops.
The settlers were removed by Federal Authority.
Alabama is Repugnant to the Constitution and exists as a State only under the Color of Law which is not Law.
This nation was built on death and destruction, and it continues now. Everything we have and the riches we enjoy are ill, gotton. If you gain from your nations wrong doing, you are doomed.
[…] 1830, the United States Congress passed and President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Bill, and by 1835 the Seminole Indians in Florida were fighting for their land. The Creek Nation in […]
Darby Weaver
The Big Trading Road was just East of Citronelle Alabama about where the Celeste Road is today.
It ran near the Weaver Estate of the Chestang / Choctang Indian Communities of the Chickasaw Mulatahaw, Mauvilla, Chunchula, Kushla, Reed’s Break, etc.
William Byrd the Chief of the Chickasaw and the Neshoba Choctaws we’re located along this first road in 1806
The is located on Federal Records and the adjoining 640 acre parcels were located by the likes of John Coffee.
The present day ancestors are the Weaver, Byrd, Rivers, Reed, Orso, Sullivan, and other families.
It would be all full to be forced from you home the Native American had the right to there land and homes. It was not right to force the from there homes . How would you fell if some one forced you from your home that you worked so hard for we lost a lot from moving them from there homes we could have learned a lot of good things from them .
Darby Weaver
Is the State of Alabama Repugnant to The United States Constitution?
If it is then it is what is called Ultra Vires…
See Worchester v. Georgia in 1832.
Now that The Chief Justice has just re-educated in the true history of the United States.
The next question is how it is that non-Natives are still in Alabama violating Federal Law.
Chief Coleman Cole and his brother’s Son-in-Law William Byrd sought to remove Intruders from the Indian Territory in the 1870’s and into the 1880’s.
Something else happened and the result was Indian Allotment without the benefit of Due Process.
The Choctaws and Chickasaws were deprived of their lands soon after or else issued patents without even their own notice.
Then summarily defrauded.
Luckily fraud knows no Statute of Limitations.
So let’s all support the Native Americans who are fighting today to get their own land back.
And their children who are even today being summarily removes by the entire family at a time under the Color of Law in this State of Alabama.
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Gina Boulware Willis did you see this?
To me, this is surely one of the saddest or worst page of our history and not just for Alabama. It is a blot on the entire nation.
shameful
Very shameful. Some treaties were done without the consent of all the people. The removal was our Holocaust.
What a sad sad time in American history
How sad
I live in Oklahoma. It’s odd that our Eufaula is also on a lake. As many of you may know Eufaula is ONE of the county seats of Barbour Co AL. The Indians were moved from AL to Eastern OK. We now have “Indian nations” in Oklahoma. The Choctaws are in the east, the Chickasaws are in the south, the Cherokees are in the NE. The Cheyenne-Arapaho are in the west. There are others. Most of these nations actually have an embassy in DC.
Nicole Copeland
Can u blame the natives for being hostile? They were forced from their land by greedy settlers that wanted it. I would have fought too.
So wrong and you can thank Andrew Jackson for carrying out Indian removal act .
Any of the towns in Oklahoma were named after the Towns in the Indian territories from which they were removed !!!
Tishimingo , Iuka , And more !!!!!
Awful
As I recall, this is how the 4th Alabama Infantry was created; and it still one of the oldest, military units still serving in the US Military.
Lets not get all outraged over Indian removal. If you knew the history of these tribes…particularly the Cherokee…you would know they were not native to this area but had come from the west…as in the Oklahoma territory! Andrew Jackson was well aware of this history from his early years. He was a captain present at the conversation mentioned here:
In 1810, John Sevier, the first governor of Tennessee, wrote to his friend Major Amos Stoddard about a conversation he had in 1782 with the old Cherokee chief Oconostota concerning ancient fortifications built along the Alabama River. The chief allegedly told him that the forts were built by a white people called “Welsh”, as protection against the ancestors of the Cherokee, who eventually drove them from the region.
They were a conquering lot themselves so don’t get misty eyed over their fate. They “removed” quite a few people themselves…and were proud to tell the tales.
Heard that story too and those Welsh were named Weaver and were led by Modoc.
The Leader Modoc killed Canby supposedly out West along the Sante Fe Trail.
Doesn’t Alabama have a Santa Fe too?
Columbus was a Wool Weaver.
Nana – Wool.
Nana Wiya (Wea Mingo) – Wool Weaver
It’s gets more strange when you learn the father of Columbus was a Wool Weaver
They moved the Cherokee to the NorthEast from the SouthWest.
The States has to scramble and do a shuck and jive after the Federal Sources forced the REMOVAL of the Settlers from the Federal Lands in Alabama.
Even Georgia and Tennessee has to leave the State.
Recall Hawkins was in Georgia along the Along the Alabama and the Tombigbee in the 1890’s.
All before Congress learned the Louisiana Purchase was committed on the basis of fraud.
The issue is that Alabama does not have a Right to Indian Land.
Not even today.
The Choctaw Nation of Indians which encompasses the other Tribes has extensive Rights to the entire SouthEast.
Fraud has no Statute of Limitations.
The Constitution – Federal is designed to protect the Rights of the Choctaw Nation of Indians against predators like the State of Alabama who is the Tribe’s deadliest enemy.
The Tribe still exists where it always has maintained it Seat of Power in Alabama – old Mississippi – Old Georgia – Old Carolina – Old Louisiana – Old Tennessee – the Oldest Colonies, etc.
The Choctaw Nation of Indians has been categorically denied…
Let’s see how all this works out.
It will get interesting soon.
Great information
This article celebrates the murders of Natives, over the land which they claimed. And then the forced evacuation on the Trail of Tears. What a horrible history to celebrate.
It doesn’t “celebrate” anything. It’s called history. It happened. Learn from it.
What do you want people to learn? Do you think they haven’t learned it, yet?
One side of the story isn’t history. It is only a tale.
Thank you. There is no evidence to support Madoc, so any stories told around his name are suspect.
This article is transcribed from a different time, and yes, it definitely celebrates the murders of Native Americans and makes their murderers out to be hero’s. Makes me sick to my stomach to know that some of my ancestors were probably involved.
I was taught that Columbus was a great man and hero. Donald Garnto – – do you know the two reasons why white settlers thought it was ok to steel the Natives’ land and why they justified the rape and murder of women and children. It’s history. You should learn from it and then recognize the countries and tribes that are still doing it today.
If we are learning from history, then we can’t ignore how we have treated Native peoples and African slaves over the centuries. If we are learning from history, we should be taking responsibility for that history and changing our future so as not to repeat it.
The truth is in 1836 this exam settlers petitioned the US Congress to let them return to Alabama so they could at least harvest their crops.
The settlers were removed by Federal Authority.
Alabama is Repugnant to the Constitution and exists as a State only under the Color of Law which is not Law.
Read the Non-Intercourse Act of 1834.
This nation was built on death and destruction, and it continues now. Everything we have and the riches we enjoy are ill, gotton. If you gain from your nations wrong doing, you are doomed.
[…] 1830, the United States Congress passed and President Andrew Jackson signed the Indian Removal Bill, and by 1835 the Seminole Indians in Florida were fighting for their land. The Creek Nation in […]
The Big Trading Road was just East of Citronelle Alabama about where the Celeste Road is today.
It ran near the Weaver Estate of the Chestang / Choctang Indian Communities of the Chickasaw Mulatahaw, Mauvilla, Chunchula, Kushla, Reed’s Break, etc.
William Byrd the Chief of the Chickasaw and the Neshoba Choctaws we’re located along this first road in 1806
The is located on Federal Records and the adjoining 640 acre parcels were located by the likes of John Coffee.
The present day ancestors are the Weaver, Byrd, Rivers, Reed, Orso, Sullivan, and other families.
Darby Weaver
The Tribal Leader
Choctaw Nation of Indians.
25 USC 1779
This is something I hope the American people aren’t proud of. They tried to kill off all the true Americans. The American Indian.
Still trying to take what little they have left
only give insight into the white men….doesn’t tell of the suffering and death of the indians….this write up is like they are proud of themselves.
Sad part of history
Can’t imagine why the Native Americans weren’t happy about being forced from their homes. ((Rolling my eyes))
sad
It would be all full to be forced from you home the Native American had the right to there land and homes. It was not right to force the from there homes . How would you fell if some one forced you from your home that you worked so hard for we lost a lot from moving them from there homes we could have learned a lot of good things from them .
Is the State of Alabama Repugnant to The United States Constitution?
If it is then it is what is called Ultra Vires…
See Worchester v. Georgia in 1832.
Now that The Chief Justice has just re-educated in the true history of the United States.
The next question is how it is that non-Natives are still in Alabama violating Federal Law.
Chief Coleman Cole and his brother’s Son-in-Law William Byrd sought to remove Intruders from the Indian Territory in the 1870’s and into the 1880’s.
Something else happened and the result was Indian Allotment without the benefit of Due Process.
The Choctaws and Chickasaws were deprived of their lands soon after or else issued patents without even their own notice.
Then summarily defrauded.
Luckily fraud knows no Statute of Limitations.
So let’s all support the Native Americans who are fighting today to get their own land back.
And their children who are even today being summarily removes by the entire family at a time under the Color of Law in this State of Alabama.
The Trail of Tears is still in effect.
Getting closer everyday
Horrendous
You’d be hostile also if someone stole all that you had and the courts said you had me redress.