Maybe we should adopt this Native American way of settling disputes – we’d have less bloodshed

Civil Affairs in Alabama

Territory and unique

Native American method for settling

land dispute.

(Excerpt from: The Great Southeast or Clarke County and its Surroundings, pub. 1882

by Rev. T. H. Ball)

 

fort stoddert

Mississippi Territory

It was found that Natchez, or the new town of Washington a few miles east, was too far distant from St. Stephens for the convenient administration of justice, and the President was therefore authorized to appoint a Supreme Court Judge for the settlers along the Tombeckbee. (Tombigbee)


Hon. Harry Toulmin, born in England, having sought religious freedom in America, for four years President of Transylvania University at Lexington, and Secretary of State of Kentucky for eight years, a good scholar, fine writer, and well versed in law, was selected for the new position.

He at first settled near Fort Stoddart, then removed to the court house and named it Wakefield. He held his first court in 1804 or 1805. At this time there were some seven or eight hundred inhabitants on the Tensaw and the Alabama, and in the fork, besides those on the western side of the Tombeckbee.

MacIntosh BluffThe next year Thomas Bassett, Edward Creighton, James Denby, Sr., and George Brewer, Jr., were appointed commissioners in regard to a town called Wakefield some twenty miles south of St. Stephens. This must have been the place so named by Judge Toulmin; and the distance and direction, as mentioned in the Mississippi Statutes, would locate this town near McIntosh’s Bluff. As at this place the first court was held, here probably a court house had been built. Pickett, however, has located Wakefield several miles north of the Bluff. Fort Stoddart was now a port of entry, where the Court of Admiralty was held.

Duties were extracted on merchandise brought in

In the fall of 1804, Captain Shaumberg had retired from the command, and was succeeded by Captain Schuyler of New York with eighty men. Edmund P. Gaines, Lieutenant, and Lieut. Reuben Chamberlain, paymaster. Congress made this Tombeckbee region a revenue district, calling it the district of Mobile. At Fort Stoddart duties were exacted upon merchandise brought in, and also required upon products sent out. These duties, the Spaniards at Mobile exacting duties also, bore heavily upon the settlers. As one illustration, in the year 1807 the Natchez planters in the western part of the territory paid for Kentucky flour four dollars a barrel, and the same flour cost the Tombeckbee planters sixteen dollars.

Peaceable possession of the lands was not obtained

In 1805 only an Indian trail led from the distant Oconee river to Lake Tensaw. This wide extent of country was held by the Muscogee or Creek Indians. The Georgia colony do not seem to have extended their settlements west of the Oconee river, and after the Revolution in 1783 and 1786 the State of Georgia vainly endeavored by treaties to obtain peaceable possession of the lands east of a line extending from the union of the Ockmulgee and Oconee to the St. Mary’s river, including the islands and harbors of that southern coast. Peaceable possession of these lands was not obtained until the treaty was made by President Washington at New York with Colonel McGillivray in 1790. West of the line named and of the Oconee river the Creek nation held possession.

But in the fall of 1805, thirty Creek chiefs and warriors, a delegation from their nation, being at Washington, the General Government obtained from them the right “of using a horse path through their country,” the chiefs agreeing to build bridges, or have ferries across the streams, and to open houses of entertainment for travellers.  A route of travel was thus secured for emigrants from Georgia into the wilds between the rivers.

Choctaws ceded five million acres

And the same fall the Choctaw Indians ceded to the United States five millions of acres of their lands, beginning at the Cut Off, now the southern limit of Clarke, half way between the two rivers, running north along the water shed, to the Choctaw corner, which is on the present northern boundary of Clarke, and on or near the second range line east, then west to the Fulluctabuna Old Fields, or to the mouth of Fluctabuna Creek, then crossing the Tombeckbee, west to the Mississippi settlements, south to latitude 31° called Elliott’s line, and east to the Mobile river, and north to the Cut Off.

Thus a grant of land was obtained lying east of the Tombeckbee river where those pioneers, coming through the Creek nation, might settle and make homes without intruding upon Indian rights.

Dispute over who owned the land

But it appears that this strip of territory east of the Tombeckbee and extending half way to the Alabama, other claimants soon appeared. The Creek Indians claimed that it belonged to them, rather than to the Choctaws, and that the Choctaws had therefore no right to cede to the United States any lands east of the Tombeckbee. Instead of resorting to arms or to diplomacy the Creeks agreed to risk their claims on the success of a game of ball. Old settlers in Clarke refer to this game as a fact well authenticated and attested by eyewitnesses. John Scarborough who would now be about eighty-five years of age, if living, (1882) was one of those who witnessed it.

Three games took place

The contestants in this game laid aside most of their clothing. The Creeks are described as having been slim and straight in person, the Choctaws as shorter but active as cats. It is said that the first game was played by warriors against warriors, and that the Creeks being vanquished were dissatisfied. Then the Choctaws offered to let their squaws play against the Creek squaws. The offer was accepted. The women played. And again the Choctaws won. The Creeks now gave up their claims. The locality assigned for this singular game, by the early settlers is an old play-ground near the old site of Elam church, and near where the corner-post was finally driven that marked the boundary between Choctaw and Creek. In 1808 the line was surveyed from Hal’s Lake to the Choctaw corner.

Choctaws and Creeks former hunting land

Previous to this time, in the disputed region, the Choctaws and Creeks had both hunted and fought for the game. The surveyors were on the the ground. The Indians agreed to a line that should cross no water. One who has travelled in various directions across this disputed territory would suppose such a line very difficult to be traced. It is said that twenty chiefs of each party went along with their tomahawks to blaze the trees.

The whole space between the Alabama and Tombeckbee, and further north than Clarke county extends, even to the mouth of the Black Warrior, had been ceded by the Choctaws to the British, in a treaty made at Mobile, March 26, 1765. Now, for the last time, after the decisive game between the Indian squaws, this strip came into the possession of those who proposed to hold it against Creeks or any other claimants or invaders.

 

This story and more can be found in the book: ALABAMA FOOTPRINTS Exploration: Lost & Forgotten Stories (Volume 1) ,  a collection of lost and forgotten stories about the people who discovered and initially settled in Alabama.

Other stories include:

  • The true story of the first Mardi Gras in America and where it took place
  • The Mississippi Bubble Burst – how it affected the settlers
  • Did you know that many people devoted to the Crown settled in Alabama –
  • Sophia McGillivray- what she did when she was nine months pregnant
  • Alabama had its first Interstate in the early days of settlement

 

 

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About Donna R Causey

Donna R. Causey, resident of Alabama, was a teacher in the public school system for twenty years. When she retired, Donna found time to focus on her lifetime passion for historical writing. She developed the websites www.alabamapioneers and www.daysgoneby.me All her books can be purchased at Amazon.com and Barnes & Noble. She has authored numerous genealogy books. RIBBON OF LOVE: A Novel Of Colonial America (TAPESTRY OF LOVE) is her first novel in the Tapestry of Love about her family where she uses actual characters, facts, dates and places to create a story about life as it might have happened in colonial Virginia. Faith and Courage: Tapestry of Love (Volume 2) is the second book and the third FreeHearts: A Novel of Colonial America (Book 3 in the Tapestry of Love Series) Discordance: The Cottinghams (Volume 1) is the continuation of the story. . For a complete list of books, visit Donna R Causey

15 Responses to Maybe we should adopt this Native American way of settling disputes – we’d have less bloodshed

  1. Yeah. See how well that worked for them. Thank’s to Andy Jackson they found that being nice doesn’t work.

  2. There was always a peace pipe involved in a pow-wow to settle disputes and in order for us to adopt the Indian practice of settling disputes, the government would first have to legalize the herb that was put into the pipe!

  3. Just want to say…if any “people” deserve something…..it’s the Native American….they have my respect!! After all…..this was their land that was taken away from them and their way of life…they were here first….civilization came later…and they suffered loss. Did they fight back..yes…for their homeland …..maybe , today, we could take note of that…..

    • the indians were the peaceable people..they only fought back after they were attacked….people now have the right to defend their property.that is all the indians ever did,,,,yet they were villianized and murdered for it…

  4. My Heart will always belong to the Native Americans.

  5. Comblues@yahoo.com'Darby Weaver says:

    The Treaty of 1805 was not legally ceded to the United States.

    President Jefferson performed what should be recorded as the first Pocket Veto.

    There were a lot of things shady and unconstitutional about this specific treaty.

    The first thing was jurisdiction the United States by several Treaties and by the Law of Nations, Humanity, and Nature could not legally, morally, or ethically Treaty with an aboriginal Native people for lands or territories that were held or claimed by another European Government.

    This land was firmly claimed by Spain and even President Jeffersonn admitted it himself on his own way out of the Presidency of the United States.

    There are more reasons why. Lots more reasons and it gets very intriguing what the United States would do to steal land from a weaker people when the United States had the obvious and clear upper hand.

    Suffice to say, if you live in the area covered by this Treaty you are legally still living in the Choctaw Nation.

    Darby Weaver

  6. himnwilly@comcast.net'Bill Tate says:

    I’m enjoying this Alabama history! A fact that intrigues me about the Muskogee (Creek) Nation: Talladega (Border Town)County had more Creek villages and towns than most any other part of the large Muskogee nation. The Creeks were a powerful, dominant, warlike tribe—but my hometown, Sylacauga (Mulberry Tree), was Shawnee; on Tallaseehatchee Creek (Old Town Creek) near my home, was a village of Natchez Indians, who had fled from Mississippi to escape the French; a few miles back up this same creek was the town of Abacoochee, (Little Abaka) reported by the botanical explorer William Bartram as speaking Chickasaw. Four tribes in one county, Creek, Shawnee, Chickasaw, and Natchez. Maybe our Creeks were nicer than we thought!

    • No Sir!! The Choctaw Nation ranged from Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama.

      My Family and Tribe are in McIntosh Alabama. I can trace my family back to 1760, but we have been there for thousands of years.

    • I also wanted to add that our DNA is unique. I am Native and White and had my DNA checked

    • Jim Running Creek Stevenson “But the artifacts at Cactus Hill dated back to 16,000 B.C. What’s more, stone spear points found at the site are reminiscent of those made by a Stone Age culture in southwest France, called the Solutreans, that ended 18,000 years ago.
      Archaeologist Dennis Stanford has suggested that the first Americans were actually the Solutreans, who crossed the Atlantic in boats similar to ones used by Arctic Eskimos. According to this controversial idea, the Solutreans were among the first New World explorers and may have been the ancestors of another ancient American culture, the Clovis people, who lived about 13,000 years ago.”
      https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/migration-mysteries/

  7. But did thay win NO

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